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C. I. Fautsch's avatar

Well, if you want a progressive Nietzschean masculinity, you could certainly go for a very obvious option: Dionysos, a figure who represents trauma and rebirth, fragility and bull-like power, and masculinity *and* femininity (androgyny coded into his birth story, celebrated by epithets)--who sacrifices no virility to being, quite frankly, flamboyant as fuck.

There are many Nietzsches, and the one you were drawn to is certainly *there*. (As is the Nietzsche that captures us feminists.) But is he the best potential masculine archetype Nietzsche has to offer? Dionysos was his tragic endgame. You have to relinquish everything to be Dionysos, including traditional patriarchal power, but the prize you get is meaning. I suggest you all head that direction--I know I am.

Endicott Mongoloid's avatar

I have to think about this piece some more. I too discovered Nietzsche at age 14 or so, in Fall River MA in the mid 1970s, and I proselytized him to many, largely successfully (a Jesuit once assaulted me for reading The Antichrist in his theology class and for remarking that the Pope wasn't anti-Nazi after saying there was corruption in the church in the Middle Ages but not now ...). But the whole gloss on masculinity here surprises me. N. fought with rigor for his life, against great sickness, in a similar way to Thomas Bernhard in the modern era, and actually my own father too. But his illness made him unattractive too, and, as such, unthreatening to women -- even, in the depth of that, a cuckold figure. Not that Napoleon was so different from that as well, as we know. It's part of the cult rewriting of Nietzsche over decades now, that takes his body out of the reading and photoshops a hotter replacement for the real man. But you know this too, since you started with him as a role model for coping with illness. How did that relationship change for you?

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